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This route description
was completed on Dec. 7, 2003 and is based on an 8:00 am start time. It has
been updated a modest amount so be careful and watch for the orange triangular
BP trail markers. The times shown are
+/- 30 seconds and please note I am a runner of modest speed (4 hr marathon, 8
hour Knee Knacker). The most treacherous
section is between Hyannis and Seymour River as you head toward Lynn
Canyon. There are lots of slippery roots
to slip on and the terrain is quite varied, lulling you into a false sense of
security. Generally, the route is easier
on the return trip but your out and back times will be very similar. There were many blow downs (trees and
branches) so watch your step.
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Description |
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8:30 |
Meet at Panorama Park in Deep Cove |
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8:31 |
Sign waivers |
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8:55 |
Welcome, final briefing, group photo |
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9:00 |
Start – the climb out of Deep Cove begins at the Baden Powell sign at the North end of the Panorama Park parking lot. All the signs you want to see along the way look like this one: 6” square with a high quality silver and blue BP Sign indicating the Baden Powell Trail direction and at times including distances. Also watch for the orange BP Triangles nailed to the trees regularly along the way. Follow the Baden Powell Trail the entire way to the Lynn Canyon Suspension Bridge. Distance is 11.1 Km each way, 24.2 Km round trip. |
00.00 |
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à Feel free to turn around at any point to make the run as short as you want. |
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The “trail” begins about 200 meters North down the road on the left hand side. Look for a steep little driveway and a BP Sign. Take the stairs up, way up. The section takes you up over 9 bridges (most new), 1 long set of stairs and to the power lines. |
00.20 |
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9:25 |
BP Sign: Turn left (right turn is the Indian Arm Lookout) |
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Run under the power lines and then take the immediate right turn and go UP. If you end up taking the service road under the power lines this will come out at the same spot but is slightly shorter. If you end up going down a trail after the power lines, turn around. |
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9:33 |
BP Sign: Arrive at Indian River Road: Turn left and follow the road straight for 5 minutes to the water tanks on the right. Notice the nice house in the middle of nowhere. There is a BP Sign here at the water tanks, pay attention, go straight and do not take the trail behind you to the right up the mountain (it’s very steep eventually). |
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The BP Trail rolls nicely and is very easy to follow over 12 bridges. But it’s all up. |
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9:47 |
Centennial Baden Powell Trail Sign: Arrive at Seymour Road. There are toilets here and a garbage can. Please watch carefully for speeding cars as you cross the road back on to the nice rolling trail. |
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Come across another bridge just before a trail intersection. Be careful here. Turn left then turn right immediately. |
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9:52 |
Another trail intersection. Right is Old Buck. Left plus 60 paces is yet another BP Trail intersection. Go over the bridge, straight, and UP over another bridge. There are signs here so please read them and pay attention. You ultimately want to be going up in roughly the same direction you were going before all this intersection stuff. Do not go through any “gates”. Stick to the well worn BP Trail. |
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10:04 |
BP Sign: You’ve reached the top! (so far) This is where the BP takes a definitive left turn down through what we call the Seymour Grind (the grinding part is on the return trip). This section is generally rough. After a few minutes there is a sign with a sharp left turn just before you start to head down again. Continue straight and start to go down. |
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There will be a vague left turn after traversing back and forth down the hill where you need to watch for loose and slippery rocks. All these “vague left turn” trails meet up. And then there are new bridges and mud on both sides and maybe in front of you too. Most of the great big metal spikes in slippery old broken down wooden bridges are gone. Lots of fun! Watch your step. Admire the handiwork. |
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10:20 |
BP Sign: Important Intersection!!! Turn right. You don’t want to miss this one but it is fairly obvious. You then quickly reach a small creek with a bridge. Do not go over the bridge. Go straight. To Hyannis is another 0.7 Km. Lynn Canyon is only 4.6 Km from here. |
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10:24 |
BP Sign: Now you want to go over the creek … turn right. There is a new bridge. The Knee Knacker Trail Work Party was here in June 2003. |
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10:16 |
A fork in the trail … no signs, no identification, just stay left. If you go right you are on a shortcut but end up in the same place. |
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10:28 |
BP Sign: The two forks meet up at a BP Sign. Turn left. If you took the shortcut, you get to go straight. Shame on you. |
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10:29 |
BP Sign: You’ve arrived at Hyannis Drive. Cross the road and keep going down the stairs and the boardwalk. Lots of steps on the boardwalk, watch out. Danger: on the way to Seymour River, there are lots of slippery roots to slip on and the terrain is quite varied, lulling you into a false sense of security. Please take your time and arrive in one piece. |
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Distances |
From Hyannis: Seymour River 1.0Km, Lillooet Road 1.Km, Lynn Canyon Suspension Bridge 3.9 Km. And the elevation gain/loss to the Bridge is –150m/+145m. But that just doesn’t describe the trip very well … have fun going down, up, down, and up again … then do it all on the way back too. |
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10:36 |
BP Sign: Important Intersection … turn left and go down the gravel trail toward Riverside Drive. |
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10:38 |
Riverside Drive intersection with a big sign. Do not go straight out to the road. Turn 90 degrees right and go down to Seymour River. You will see the foot bridge right away. Look at the river. Then go up the super really steep steps. |
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10:48 |
After heading UP the trail, step over the big pipe laying across the ground. Go straight under the power lines, do not turn on to any other trails and there are several so watch out. |
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10:52 |
BP Sign: You’ve arrived at Lillooet Road! Only 1.6Km to go. This is a gravel road that is well used by cars. Turn right-ish and immediately go across the gravel road. Turn left and get back on the trail. |
10.50 |
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10:56 |
BP Sign: Important Intersection … take a sharp right and go down to Lynn Creek. Near the bottom there are some steps and a very big Douglas-fir tree. In fact, it might be a Grand Fir. Admire it and move on toward more steps and the slippery boardwalk. If you want to check out Lynn Creek take the small ramp down off the boardwalk to the sandy area and have a look. |
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11:05 |
BP Sign: Twin Falls Bridge on the left. This sign is on the right and in the direction you want to go. Take a look at the creek again if you like. But go back and UP the stairs on the same side you’ve arrived. These are very nice stairs so be sure to enjoy them. |
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11:11 |
Big White Sign: Turn left to the Suspension Bridge and stay left on the boardwalk and steps. |
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11:12 |
Cross the Bridge and check out the awesome view. Be mindful of the tourists. |
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11:13 |
Continue across bridge and UP the stairs to the Lynn Canyon Café. At the right of the building are some washrooms. |
11.10 |
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12:00 |
START YOUR RETURN TRIP TO DEEP COVE … BP Sign: Arrive at Hyannis Drive |
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12:37 |
BP Sign: Arrive at top of Seymour Grind. Turn right and go down to Deep Cove |
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12:48 |
BP Sign: Arrive at Seymour Road, watch for cars again. Washrooms are here. |
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13:21 |
BP Sign: Pop out at Panorama Drive in Deep Cove. Watch for cars. Turn right. |
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13:23 |
Finish! BP Sign: You made it! Arrive back at the parking lot. |
24.20 |

Starter Photo - 9 December 2007
What a wonderful day it was. There were lots of new faces. Welcome all! The trails were beautiful and frosted with a layer of ice crystals, the boardwalks were treacherous and the black ice deceiving... Congrats to all who finished todays run.
The post event survey is posted here and will close 13 December. We appreciate your participation.
More photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/clubfatass/tags/puresatisfaction2007/show/
More than ever … Pure Satisfaction 2007
A record 33 runners took to the trail on Sunday. This was the fifth running of Club Fat Ass Pure Satisfaction on the Baden Powell Trail of North Vancouver. Most of us started in Deep Cove as usual but there were 4 hardier souls that lined themselves up to complete 48km for the first time in this event.
The four big distance people were Gilles, Karl, Chad and John. They started 2 hours ahead of the group sharp at 0700h plus the full time from the 5-minute rule. Beginning in Lynn Canyon at the traditional turn around point, they headed across the Lynn Canyon Suspension Bridge and made it to Deep Cove right at 9:00 am after slipping and sliding their way over the first 12km of their run. All four are experienced and capable long distance runners. Most notable though are Karl and Gilles. Karl is recently back running (and ultra training) after being off several months with a nagging back problem that has magically disappeared. And Gilles finished the Birch Bay marathon on Saturday the day before our run. Along with Gilles, Chad is training for Western States 100 mile race, and, of course, John is always in training for the next big one (and the next big conversation).
As for the rest of us, we gathered in the chilly zero degree December air to get our run briefing and have our picture taken against the backdrop of Mount Seymour. I was adamant that we watch out for one another, especially the newbies, and that we all take great care on the slippery patches. When Karl and the others arrived as I was speaking, they told us of how dangerous the route was for them. So we took their advice seriously and set off to have a whole bunch of fun.
It had ever so lightly snowed and the ground was hard. But all I heard was lots of chatter. It continued snowing the whole time but you could almost count the number of flakes falling there were so few. I was hoping for a bit more snow because it is a very pretty route with 10 or 20 cm of the fresh stuff around.
I followed along near the back and was running with Sibylle and then John for a bit. Once I got to the top of the trail where it turns down to the Seymour Grind, I chatted with Arthur to help keep him on course. As I got ready to turn around, I strongly suggested he stick with John who was close behind because this was Arthur’s first time on the course. For those of us that are familiar with the area, we know how easy it is to go astray. As it turned out, John ended his run when he got to Lynn Canyon after 24km and Arthur decided to call it a day as well. I understand that he took a cab back to Deep Cove.
For the rest of the runners, eventually they all made it back to Deep Cove before 5-1/2 hours was up. The fastest coming in was Patricia with Colin, Mel and Carolyn hot on her heels. When Patricia arrived it certainly seemed as though someone or something had been chasing her! And it seems like 3 hours is the still the time to beat. Hardly anyone has done this run in less than 3 hours. In fact the course record still stands with Casey Charleson from the first year in 2003. His time was about 2:45.
When mostly everyone was back, about a dozen of us went to the Lazy Bay Café at Parkgate and had some yummy treats and coffees. It was warm and we chatted for a nice long time while thinking of the others still on the trail.
I was happy to see a few repeaters to the event. But I was sad to see the Keith didn’t make it out due to technical difficulties with his house keys. And I’m very happy that Pure Satisfaction has been so popular. Oh and thanks very much to Colin for doing the GPS thing so we can see better what we've done.
I hope you’ll all join me again next year.
Craig
Thanks also to TrailRunner magazine for the 2 yearly subscription certificates as draw prizes.
| First Name | Last Name | Event | Split Time | Total Time | Points |
| Chad | Hyson | 48km | 8:20 | 2 | |
| Karl | Jensen | 48km | 8:32 | 2 | |
| Gilles | Barbeau | 48km | 8:40 | 2 | |
| Patricia | Jensen | 24km | 3:01 | 1 | |
| Colin | Freeland | 24km | 1:31 | 3:02 | 2 |
| Mel | Bos | 24km | 1:31 | 3:02 | 2 |
| Carolyn | Gouza | 24km | 1:31 | 3:02 | 1 |
| Ellie | Greenwood | 24km | 1:32 | 3:08 | 2 |
| Chris | Benn | 24km | 1:32 | 3:09 | 2 |
| John | Neels | 24km | 1:32 | 3:14 | 2 |
| Terry | Bushnell | 24km | 1:32 | 3:14 | 1 |
| Susan | Reynolds | 24km | 1:39 | 3:15 | 2 |
| Allison | Mackay | 24km | 1:40 | 3:19 | 1 |
| desmond | mott | 24km | 3:19 | 2+1 (garbage) |
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| Sukhbir | Pawa | 24km | 1:42 | 3:29 | 1 |
| Jackie | Muir | 24km | 1:47 | 3:30 | 1 |
| Christine | Rybak | 24km | 1:47 | 3:32 | 1 |
| Jessica | Bassil | 24km | 3:34 | 2 | |
| Kathy | Nomura | 24km | 1:50 | 3:34 | 2 |
| John | Machray | 24km | 4:30 | 2 | |
| Cynnimon | Rain | 24km | 2:07 |
4:17 |
1 |
| Rhonda | Schuller | 24km | 2:45 | 5:29 | 2 |
| Cheryl | Johnson | 24km | 2:45 | 5:30 | 2 |
| Sibylle | Tinsel | 24km | 2:38 | 5:30 | 2+1 (garbage) |
| Laddie | Hannam | 24km | custom | 1:44 | 2 |
| Monty | Watts | 12km | 2:00 | 2 | |
| Paul | Markey | custom, Lynn Valley headwaters | 2:00 | 1 | |
| Craig | Moore | custom | 2:10 | 2+1 (EH) |
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| Arthur | Gee | custom | finished | 1 | |
| Doug | MacKay | custom, Riverside | 2:51 | 2 | |
| Amy | MacArthur | custom | 3:09 | 2 | |
| Kim | Taylor | 24km | custom | 3:09 | 2 |
| Baldwin | Lee | custom, 20km | 3:28 | 2 | |
| Jennifer | D'Aoust | 48km | dns | -1 | |
| Rob | Ruff | 24km | dns | -1 | |
| 36 sign-ups | |||||
| 33 finishers | |||||
| 3 did not show |
| First Name | Last Name | Event | Points | Time |
| Paul | Johnson | 24km | 1 | 3:05 |
| Chris | Benn | 24km | 1 | 3:09 |
| Ran | Katzman | 24km | 1 | 3:09 |
| Bill | Dagg | 24km | 1 | 3:16 |
| desmond | mott | 24km | 2 | 3:31 |
| Elke | Bauer | 24km | 2 | 4:11 |
| Gilles | Barbeau | 24km | 2 | 4:15 |
| Karl | Jensen | 24km | 3 | 4:15 |
| Keith | Nichol | 24km | 2 | 4:28 |
| Ryan | Conroy | 24km *with lots of detours | 2 | 4:59 |
| Steven | Lee | 24km | 2 | ? |
| Steve | Deller | 12km | 2 | 2:15 |
| Baldwin | Lee | 12km | 3 | 2:15 |
| Michele | Sherstan | 12km | 2 | 2:45 |
| Sibylle | Tinsel | 12km | 3 | 2:45 |
| Oliver | Egeler | custom | 2 | ? |
| Cheryl | Johnson | custom | 3 | 3:37 |
| Cynnimon | Rain | 20km | 2 | 3:30 |
| Laddie | Hannam | custom | 1 | ? |
| Craig | Moore | custom | 3 | 1:43 |
| Rhonda | Schuller | custom | 2 | 1:45 |
| Berglind | Hafsteinsdottir | crew | 2 | |
| Ellie | Greenwood | DNS | -1 |
30 Starters
Pure Satisfaction December 11, 2005 Run Report
Brrrr it was chilly! … and wow it was fantastic! We had sunshine and blue sky and remnants of the last snow fall still in place up on Mt. Seymour. And even better, we had enough people do a custom route to make sure that Pure Satisfaction was a classic Club Fat Ass event.
It was also nice to hear so many people say what a great route the Baden Powell Trail is between Deep Cove and Lynn Canyon. I’ve known that for a long time, along with lots of other people. And we’re all glad to share it with the newer club runners.
Our quickest participants today were Danilo Caron, Chris Benn and Bill Dagg, all coming in at 3:05h. They were still a fair way off the course record set by Casey Charleston a couple years back (2:45h) but 3:05h is a very respectable time for a rough and slippery 24Km course.
At our pre-run chat Sibylle singled me out for being such a big Fat Ass and winning the points series this year. I was very happy to be given a complimentary CFA membership for 2006 along with a gift from our new sponsor, North Shore Athletics. They sent along a nice and comfy NSA sweatshirt that I gladly put on after the run to stay warm. I must mention that Bill Dagg and Cheryl Johnson were pretty big Fat Asses as well in 2005, trailing me for several months in the point standings and being sure to keep me honest. We each came out for 12 events but since I hosted two and picked up garbage for extra points along the way I held the lead. I knew I had to show up for every event possible or slip behind them quite easily. Of course they were both at the event today.
I have to say it was all fun and all worth it as we got to participate in so many great and challenging events this year. Of course, the most notable and memorable has to be The Double in June. In fact, three of The Double runners came out today to participate in Pure Satisfaction (Karl Jensen and Gilles Barbeau and me). Next year you can try your hands (and feet) in the Vancouver 100 since The Double has been put to rest. Same great course but now 4 extra kilometers! I think that’s even better value for your low membership fee, is it not?
After the run today a few of us stopped in at Lazy Bay Café for lunch and prizes. Just about everyone won something, including water bottles and hats from North Shore Athletics, a subscription to Trail Runner magazine, a cool book on trail running, some gels and also a pair of tickets to the upcoming CFA sponsored event in March for Jesper Olsen on his World Run.
Lastly, thanks again to our one-person crew, Ethelyn, for braving the cold at Lynn Canyon (on the far side of that awesomely slippery suspension bridge) so that we could have a moment of rest and a Zoneperfect bar to help get us back to Deep Cove. I hope to see you all next year and also at the next CFA event on New Years Day.
| First Name | Last Name | City/Town | Event | Time | Points |
| Danilo | Caron | Vancouver | 24km | 3:05h | 1 |
| Chris | Benn | Vancouver | 24km | 3:05h | 2 |
| Bill | Dagg | Vancouver | 24km | 3:05h (1:32 split) | 2 |
| Desmond | Mott | North Vancouver | 24km | 3:16h | 2 |
| Steven | Lee | Vancouver | 24km | 3:25h | 2 |
| Arikado | Rick | Vancouver | 24km | 3:28h | 1 |
| Michael | Loehr | Vancouver | 24km | 3:38h | 1 |
| Rachel | Nelson | Vancouver | 24km | 3:38h | 2 |
| Gilles | Barbeau | Vancouver | 24km | 3:52h | 2 |
| Patrick | Gross | Vancouver | 24km | 3:52h | 2 |
| Berglind | Hafsteinsdottir | Vancouver | 24km | 3:52h | 2 |
| Laddie | Hannam | North Vancouver | 24km | 3:52h | 2 |
| Karl | Jensen | North Vancouver | 24km | 3:52h | 2 |
| Neil | Ambrose | Maple Ridge | 24km | 4:22h | 2 |
| Carolyn | King | Maple Ridge | 24km | 4:22h | 2 |
| Craig | Moore | N.Vancouver | 24Km | 4:25h | 3 |
| Vince | Hemingson | Vancouver | 24km | 4:29h | 1 |
| John | Smalley | Vancouver | 24km | 4:29h | 1 |
| Baldwin | Lee | Burnaby | 24km | 4:37h | 2 |
| Jennifer | Allen | Langley | 24km lost=27km | 4:40h | 2 |
| Lisa | Pickrell | Maple Ridge | 24km lost=27km | 4:40h | 1 |
| Doug | MacKay | North Vancouver | 24km lost=30km | 5:03h | 2 |
| Sibylle | Tinsel | North Vancouver | 24km | 5:08 (2:38 split) | 2 |
| Michele | Sherstan | North Vancouver | 24km | 5:08h (2:38 split) | 2 |
| Cheryl | Johnson | Pitt Meadows | 24km | 5:09h | 2 |
| Jewell | Shaw | Vancouver | 18km | 2:35h | 1 |
| Katheryne | Gardiner | Vancouver | 12km | ? | 2 |
| Tara | Jackson | West Vancouver | 12km | ? | 2 |
| Rob | Jones | North Vancouver | 12km | ? | 2 |
| Lara | Taylor | North Vancouver | 12km | ? | 1 |
2004 at the turn-around
| Pure Satisfaction Long Course (24km out and back) | ||||
| Place | Name | Home Town | Split (12km) | Finish Time (24km) |
| 1 | Bill Dagg | Vancouver | 1:32 | 2:56 |
| 2 | Ellie Greenwood | Vancouver | 1:49 | 3:13 |
| 2 | Bob Hermanutz | Vancouver | 1:49 | 3:13 |
| 4 | Chris Benn | Vancouver | 1:42 | 3:14 |
| 4 | Desmond Mott | North Vancouver | 1:42 | 3:14 |
| 6 | Ann Taylor | North Vancouver | 1:45 | 3:17 |
| 7 | Gottfried Grosser | North Vancouver | 1:45 | 3:37 |
| 8 | Berglind Hafsteinsdottir | North Vancouver | 1:52 | 3:50 |
| 8 | Laddie Hannam | North Vancouver | 1:52 | 3:50 |
| 10 | Kathy Nomura | Burnaby | 1:53 | 3:56 |
| 11 | Keith Nichol | Vancouver | 1:55 | 3:56 |
| 12 | Cheryl Lynch (and Torro, the dog) | Vancouver | 1:55 | 3:56 |
| 13 | Derrik Johnstone | Vancouver | 2:05 | 3:53 |
| 13 | Deanna Lindsay | Vancouver | 2:05 | 3:53 |
| 15 | Doug Mackay | North Vancouver | 1:47 | 3:56 |
| 16 | Craig Moore | North Vancouver | 2:24 | 5:02 |
| 17 | Cheryl Johnson | Pitt Meadows | 2:42 | 5:32 |
| 18 | Rhonda Schuller | North Vancouver | 2:42 | 5:32 |
| Pure Satisfaction Short Course (12km out) | ||||
| 1 | Rob Jones | North Vancouver | 1:37 | |
| 2 | Gabi Kwan | North Vancouver | 2:42 | |
| 2 | Sibylle Tinsel | North Vancouver | 2:42 | |
| 2 | Patricia Barry | Vancouver | 2:42 | |
| Pure Satisfaction Custom Course (10km) | ||||
| 1 | Mike Daugulis | Whistler | 1:42 | |
| 1 | Mark Quinlan | Vancouver | 1:42 | |
| 2 | Nicola Bennet | Whistler | 2:07 | |
| Crew | ||||
| Ethelyn David, Ean, Erik and Johanna Jackson at the Lynn Canyon Suspension Bridge | ||||
25 Starter
25 Finishers
The second installment of the Club Fat Ass Pure Satisfaction run is now complete. There were many firsts on this crisp and calm day, not the least of which was a record turnout of 25 runners and 1 happy dog. And first let me say that this is no ordinary running group. We all chose to get out of our nice warm beds on a chilly December 12th Sunday and brave the rough, hard trails of the Baden Powell for an 8:30 am start. The sky was clear, the temperature low and the car windshields were covered in heavy frost this morning.
We got started in good time right after the run briefing and group photo. My first order of business of course was to remind everyone how important it is that they take care of themselves. I knew there would be lots of ice on the route along with slippery roots and rocks and sure enough there was. And since we had seen way too much rain the few days prior (up until Friday night), there was also lots of water and mud. Sounds like a typical late autumn North Shore running day to me.
We had several firsts today: Bill Dagg came first with a monster performance. I saw Bill on the return trip at the power lines just before Lillooet Road and knew he was having a good day as he was well ahead of the rest of the pack. We also had 19 first timers to the event with both veterans and newbies to the BP Trail. I’m sure that Ellie, Bob, Chris, Desmond, Ann and Gottfried were all chasing one another for the whole run as they finished very close together.
One of our more notable firsts for the run were the three “under 20 year olds�? that showed up for some fresh air and credits to their Kinesiology class at UBC. Nineteen year olds Mike, Mark and Nicola all did an abbreviated route up to the area past Seymour Road and around Old Buck then returned to Deep Cove. The best comment I heard from them was, “I like trail running, it’s not boring!�? You’re absolutely right. Welcome to the club guys and hope to see you out again sometime.
Another first was that we had six returning runners. Bill, Kathy, Keith, Cheryl, Sibylle, and Patricia were not daunted by the dark and dreary weather from last year’s run. In fact, they all improved on their times quite significantly.
Many thanks from each of us go to Ethelyn for hanging in there at the Lynn Canyon Café as our major volunteer. She handed out ZonePerfect bars and Hammer Gels. Her smiling face was a welcome site especially since aid stations are a luxury for Club Fat Ass runs. Of course, we also had Ean and his clan of youngsters running around Lynn Canyon to cheer us on and welcome a few of the short distance runners to their finish.
I know that everyone had a great day and I’m thankful there are no reported injuries nor lost souls. Lots of us even found our way without difficulty to Honey’s after for yummy treats and hot coffee.
Keep up the running and join us on Dec. 11, 2005, for the next heart pounding adventure called Pure Satisfaction.